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I think the people in that article represent both extremes, heavily pro EV and heavily anti EV but with nobody supporting the middle ground where the realistic and sensible conclusions, as is so often the case, fall. In my view electric cars will not replace fossil fuel vehicles before 2050. For local and short/medium journeys they will probably become the norm unless some other technology is developed. We will still need fossil fuel vehicles for those carrying loads or travelling long distances.
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Originally posted by fab100

And has has been said before, the the government would go bust without car fuel taxes. Whatever cars are ultimately powered by, they will have to find a way to push tax them the same level per mile as we get stung today. The claims we will end up paying a fraction of what we currently do for motor fuel (when around 60% of the price is tax in one form or another) is a blatant lie.

Budget 2017: total revenue was 769bn

Latest figure I have for tax receipts for hydrocarbon oils is 2015/16, where it was about 27bn, less than 1.5% of GDP.

I don't think the government will go bust after losing 3.5% of its current revenue.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote PeterG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 17 at 5:51pm
I don't think the government will go bust after losing 3.5% of its current revenue.

No it wouldn't. But 27bn would still be a big hole to fill, and it would have to be filled. In practice, the easiest and probably most sensible way would be to continue to tax road use in some way. Could well be via road use/congestion charging. Alternatively they could put up income tax, and you know how popular that seems to be! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 17 at 7:30pm
Government talking about re-opening lines closed by Beeching, must believe forecasts of massive reduction in personal transport.
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I seem to recall that people used to take their dinghies to Championships by train ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 17 at 9:46pm
Quick google search revealed quite a few clubs with railway stations within a couple of miles.
Rutland water,  railway station 1.5 kilometres.
Queen Mary, couple of miles.
Bala, 25 miles.
Perhaps in the future clubs close to public transport will boom.
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The rail infrastructure just doesn't exist any more for that to be practical. Its not just that there aren't the lines, but the hundreds of thousands of general purpose freight wagons are gone, and so are all the local freight handling facilities. Apart from bulk freight between a limited number of hub points rail freight is largely limited to what one person can carry through one door.
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Deliver by drone instead!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 17 at 9:58pm
This is where Turnturtles proffessional club set up would work, you only need to get there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 17 at 12:36am
.. and smile. 

Btw Ordered my Mini the other day, PHEV one... faster 0-60 than the std Cooper S.  I would claim for eco reasons, but 9% Bk value swung it.


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