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    Posted: 06 Nov 18 at 8:05pm
Anyone know anything about this?
https://www.facebook.com/225846664167204/photos/pcb.1952812824803904/1952809131470940/?type=3&theater
Looks higher aspect than the current 'full rig' but that might just be that it's shorter in the foot.

Has anyone ever seen one of these?
http://forward-sailing.co.uk/en/77-new-compatible-laser-sails-with-modern-sail-cut.html
I quite like the look of that, but I've just got myself a Rooster 8.1 rig. At least that has some semblance of a PY. Hopefully it's not about to be made obsolete by a revised official Laser rig, but given the time to market for the carbon topmast, I doubt we'll see a new style sail in these parts before 2022?

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The video of Lasers using the sail, seems to be a lot of hard hiking for little speed
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 18 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by 423zero

The video of Lasers using the sail, seems to be a lot of hard hiking for little speed

Sounds familiar!
In principle though,  surely sail technology has moved on a bit from basically a triangle like the Mk2 laser sail? Even keeping the current mast, should a well designed sail with some roach and full-length battens not offer some 'automatic' gust response amd faster performance?

I think we soon get into arguing about what the aims should be. I'd like more power in light winds and still be able to sail it in 20 knots. Other people might want a wider range of helm weights. It would be good if the radial sailors and full rig sailors could have the same rag and the same PY.

I'd hate for it to be just cosmetic.
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For there to be any point it would need a tapered carbon mast, the current stick (even with the carbon top) is too soft at the bottom and too stiff at the top to give any sort of modern power/gust response almost regardless of what sail you put on it.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Anyone know anything about this?
https://www.facebook.com/225846664167204/photos/pcb.1952812824803904/1952809131470940/?type=3&theater
Looks higher aspect than the current 'full rig' but that might just be that it's shorter in the foot.

Has anyone ever seen one of these?
http://forward-sailing.co.uk/en/77-new-compatible-laser-sails-with-modern-sail-cut.html
I quite like the look of that, but I've just got myself a Rooster 8.1 rig. At least that has some semblance of a PY. Hopefully it's not about to be made obsolete by a revised official Laser rig, but given the time to market for the carbon topmast, I doubt we'll see a new style sail in these parts before 2022?


The Rooster 8.1 is good until the full rigs are planing, at that point it is no faster round the course.

As for the Doyle rig, it is the same variation really. The Laser is what it is, there is far too much pain involved with changing the rig wholesale so it is unlikely to happen unless something drastic comes along.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 18 at 1:30pm
They need to design a sail that works within the limitations of the Laser mast, rather than shoehorn a sail that works on a better mast.
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Sorry the laser needs two things to up date it above all else. A better/bigger rudder blade and a new mast. The old one is only good as scrap metal. 
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Originally posted by zeon

A better/bigger rudder blade ...

The current one, changed so it can go square to the hull would be dramatic improvement....

Iíve always wondered the fascination with tinkering with the Laser rig over the years.... to be me, itís the rudder which gives me the shudders more than any other aspect of the boatís heritage.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by zeon

A better/bigger rudder blade ...

The current one, changed so it can go square to the hull would be dramatic improvement....

Iíve always wondered the fascination with tinkering with the Laser rig over the years.... to be me, itís the rudder which gives me the shudders more than any other aspect of the boatís heritage.

I am always amazed at how heavy the rudder feels whenever I jump in to one having sailed other classes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 18 at 3:10pm
Yes - that was the one major noticeable Ďeww this feels sh*tí to going back into a Laser after 6 months in a d-zero.  The other was the way the deck moulding rubs the back of your calves.  As it happens, the rig, which for years of personal derision, wasnít as ghastly as I remembered.... that said it was a brand new sail and a straight mast! 
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