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Originally posted by mozzy

... but then Ali had a great summer this year and it seems almost done an dusted. 

Two bronze medals and two 4th from the Worlds, Euros, Test Event and the recent World Cup all with a significant points and position advantage ( bar the test event where only Ali sailed ) seems a landslide to me ... 

Plus she’s won a World Championships. 

Hannah hasn’t once been on the podium. 




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 19 at 7:57am
Originally posted by L192444

Originally posted by mozzy

... but then Ali had a great summer this year and it seems almost done an dusted. 

Two bronze medals and two 4th from the Worlds, Euros, Test Event and the recent World Cup all with a significant points and position advantage ( bar the test event where only Ali sailed ) seems a landslide to me ... 

Plus she’s won a World Championships. 

Hannah hasn’t once been on the podium. 
So what do you reckon, will she be in the first batch of names announced if they come out this month?

Do you reckon she's already got the nod and if so just went to the world cup for extra practice?

Or do you think no one has been chosen? But then why would half the team skip the Enoshima world cup?  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L192444 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 19 at 8:27am
Anyone’s guess but I’d say Ali is clearly the best Radial sailor. 

The Nacra looks a tough call. But I’d go Saxton. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 19 at 9:44am
Hard to call...

Gimson - Burnet 3rd in ranking to Saxton Boniface's 8th (but they've had injuries and missed events)
Gimson 8th at previous world to Saxtons 10th. 
Gimson 5th at 2018 Enoshima WC to Saxtons 27th
Gimson 3rd Palma v 4th for Saxton
Gimson 45 Genoa v 2nd for Saxton (but fluky light conditions)
Gimson 2nd Euro v 1st for Saxton
Gimson 2nd Test event v 3rd for Saxton
Gimson 5th Enoshima WC v 2nd for Saxton

Super close!

The Nacra (along with 49er + FX) have their 2019 Worlds in NZL this December. They then have the 2020 worlds in Aus in Feb. Looking further ahead they have a Euros in Garda in May, which you'd think would be possibly the last selection event, or would they wait as long as the Enoshima WC in June just a month out from the Olympics?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L192444 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 19 at 11:02am
I think it is about the recent form as they peak towards the event ...

49er FX looks like the toughest as the results are quite inconsistent.I'd go Dobson / Tidey.

49er I would say Fletcher / Bithell just shade it but Peters / Syrett are world ranked #1 ... either could win Silver (as NZL will win gold)

As for the Laser anyone's guess but I'd go Thompson based on experience of the games.
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The trails process was made up of a number of events (palma + class worlds etc). The winner of this trial was offered a place at the ready steady tokyo event. If they medalled at the test event then they are almost definatly select else the trials continued.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 19 at 8:18am
Originally posted by By The Lee

The trails process was made up of a number of events (palma + class worlds etc). The winner of this trial was offered a place at the ready steady tokyo event. If they medalled at the test event then they are almost definatly select else the trials continued.

Which is what I reckoned looking at the test event and no-shows for the Enoshima WC.

But... isn't that kind of a mad selection process? The Nacra, 49er and FX haven't had a worlds since Aarhus. Looking specifically at Dylan's and Stu's programme, assuming they're doing the bare minimum due to Sail GP commitments it would appear the selection was Enoshima, Miami, Palma, Euros, then get a medal at the test event. 

In the Nacra and 49er they have a packed winter coming up with two more world championships, a euros and an Enoshima WC all before the games. In the 49er specifically, with the ranking just out today James and Fynn are still world number 1. It wouldn't be unrealistic for them to pick up medals at each of major championships and then you'd have a situation where the world champion (possibly), world number 1 for 12 months prior to Olympics, double (or triple) winner of the Enoshima WC and a team not beaten by their GB compatriots at a worlds, or at the Olympic venue since 2017 isn't at the Olympics. 

In the scenario above if Dylan and Stu didn't win at the games there would have to be serious questions of the selectors... and what would their answer be? That Dylan and Stu won a silver medal at an event James and Fynn weren't allowed to go to?

Which takes me back to the OP, why, if by the lee's process is correct, are the RYA so focused on getting selection done so early? Is it really that much of an advantage to get the full backing behind one team from so far out?  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L192444 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 19 at 8:24am
Select early then you can focus all your resources on developing the standard of those selected rather than wasting money on people who won’t be going. 

It’s about maximising the budget ... if you had unlimited resources you could fund more teams for longer. 


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But what resources do they put in to developing the standard of the one boat? What resources get thrown behind the selected team that can't be pushed out to a second boat? How confident are the RYA that their extra boost in resource from 12 months out will be better than selecting the form boat from 6 months out?
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