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Hope you are right but I can see that given the choice, the buyer of a good used boat is going to choose the " new rules" version rather than the "classic". And the residual price of the " classic" is going to drop to make them still saleable?.

But then again, I was about to buy a late frp boat and have put this on hold until this is sorted. So perhaps I will save some money when I buy next year.

Will there be a move to lighter fixed rudders now practical with a conventional transom?   And knee pads with a light weather downwind seating position gone?


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I am not sure why you are using the capping for a seating position downwind as if you did then the transom would be dragging heavily and if there is enough wind then you are on the side. 

The bottom line is that boats prior to around 4900 do not have the bulkhead sufficiently far forward to to allow current mast rakes and therefore be competitive so in my view these are already limited to fairly low competition club racing anyway and their price reflects this. I would be pretty happy to line up with my 5407 boat against a new one with these changes and don't think I would be disadvantaged to the point where I was forced to buy a new one. 

It could be argued that the flooding tanks will result in more water post capsize in the boat so unless mandatory would not be a decision for those able to recover the boat as it would be seen as a competitive disadvantage albeit the top guys don't capsize much.  
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I will check my transom !, but my wooden oldie still manages to beat new frp boats consistently.

6.3 and knackered knees makes inability to get max rake on less of a factor and going the right way a focus.

I look forward to buying my reduced price frp boat next year!

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I am not sure why you are using the capping for a seating position downwind as if you did then the transom would be dragging heavily and if there is enough wind then you are on the side. 
The bottom line is that boats prior to around 4900 do not have the bulkhead sufficiently far forward to to allow current mast rakes and therefore be competitive so in my view these are already limited to fairly low competition club racing anyway and their price reflects this. I would be pretty happy to line up with my 5407 boat against a new one with these changes and don't think I would be disadvantaged to the point where I was forced to buy a new one. 
It could be argued that the flooding tanks will result in more water post capsize in the boat so unless mandatory would not be a decision for those able to recover the boat as it would be seen as a competitive disadvantage albeit the top guys don't capsize much.  


To be fair, Wills article does suggest that the new capping will allow sitting on in drifting conditions. So I have the possibility of slouching forward from the capping- indeed as covered by the Solo training video by Jim ( my Solo hero) Hunt.

And in no way am I suggesting that the proposed changes will have anything other than a minor or nil speed difference. It's simply that unavoidably the new rules boat will be the "state of the art" and current boats will not.



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flooding tank are best used on self draining boats, which the Solo is not. It looks like a bathtub after a capsize as it is, don't encourage it, unless of course you wish to raise the floor
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Unless they drain outside the boat somehow?!
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

flooding tank are best used on self draining boats, which the Solo is not. It looks like a bathtub after a capsize as it is, don't encourage it, unless of course you wish to raise the floor

Yep I was thinking the same - my H2 has flooding side tanks which do make capsizes so much easier but it takes less than a minute for the boat to be dry post recovery due to it all going out the back!
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

flooding tank are best used on self draining boats, which the Solo is not. It looks like a bathtub after a capsize as it is, don't encourage it, unless of course you wish to raise the floor

Yep I was thinking the same - my H2 has flooding side tanks which do make capsizes so much easier but it takes less than a minute for the boat to be dry post recovery due to it all going out the back!


If all the changes go through with a carbon rig, a new Solo will getting close to H2 price. You may have a larger H2 fleet soon!
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Originally posted by H2


Originally posted by maxibuddah

flooding tank are best used on self draining boats, which the Solo is not. It looks like a bathtub after a capsize as it is, don't encourage it, unless of course you wish to raise the floor

Yep I was thinking the same - my H2 has flooding side tanks which do make capsizes so much easier but it takes less than a minute for the boat to be dry post recovery due to it all going out the back!


If all the changes go through with a carbon rig, a new Solo will getting close to H2 price. You may have a larger H2 fleet soon!

Probably the most common boat that people had before their H2 was a Solo. People want a boat they can sit in rather than scrabble around on their knees like their solo but which goes faster and carries more weight than the solo (lets face it, we are all getting heavier than we were in the 1970s!). Fleet seems to be either early retirees coming from Solos or else younger helms looking for something different that responds to being sailed hard - was great to see Jack Holden from the RS400 fleet at our Nationals last weekend.
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I would suggest that if you are uncomfortable sitting in a Solo downwind then you are sitting in the wrong place, and probably not sailing by the lee on the run.  The benefit of the side tanks is that you can sit on the edge of the tank or a cheek on the thwart and sail by the lee downwind quite comfortably.  If you are sitting on the coffee table you are probably sailing quite square and sitting too far back in the boat and you will be unable to respond to changes in wind strength and direction.
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