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    Posted: 25 Jun 20 at 12:03pm
Following easing of the lockdown I've had the pleasure of sailing (rather than just racing) a Finn, OK and Albacore

These are all very old classes but with modern adjustable rigs

All 3 are a delight to sail compared to some of the more recent designs.

Is this just that they have been hugely developed over the years or just that they were always great boats - hence their continuing popularity ?

None of them are light but that perform well in the light or breeze and are just 'nice' to sail

Maybe its the 'non skiff' way that they sail that works ?

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Or maybe that's just your preferred style of boat?
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Designers have to design something that will sell, true then and today, for every old class their were probably 10 that didn't last.
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I sailed an OK as a 'yoof' and thought it was a great boat back then (even with a wooden mast). Foam sandwich hulls and carbon fibre spars won't have done any harm to the performance and sailing manners so I'd think it's mostly because those old designs were well though out, conservative but not too conservative. Min weight for an OK is 72kg, same as the Blaze so no, not super light, but not a porker either.
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72 kg? Not a porker? What is it with you people and your casual acceptance of ridiculously heavy old tubs, they had no choice back then, we have a choice now, no wonder the Aero just obliterated new boat sales. 102 kg for a bloody Contender. In the real world it is AGAINST THE LAW for folk to be forced to lift over 32kg in the work place, why does everyone think it's OK to do it in our leisure?
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Sales must be bad, Aero were only achieving 5 a week last year.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Sales must be bad, Aero were only achieving 5 a week last year.

And much of that was people replacing original boats which are now knackered! They are cheap for a reason
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its a good point though that classes like the Finn and OK are just really nice boats made better by modern rigs. I do wonder if they would be made even nicer if they went further and used modern materials for the hulls too!
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In reality nobody looks at the Aero and swoons - its a butt ugly beach boat with a butt ugly rig

However - people like it

It will be interesting to see if the Aero proves a durable as Lasers (loads of old Lasers still sail around at weekends going roughly the same speed as newer ones and don't fall apart). I suspect not ?

Its such a shame they didn't put an attractive rig on it. The high boom looks beach club style all the way





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It's a balance. The OK isn't the lightest thing around, but it is tough as old boots and it's rare to see any breakages at all. The also last forever. You could no doubt make it half the weight, but would it make it a better boat? Possibly, but it would certainly make it more fragile and maybe reduce the competitive life. At the last worlds the 3rd place boat was a (very well sailed) 30yr old glass hull with a modern carbon rig, however most current boats are epoxy foam sandwich so fairly modern. The surprising new trend however is heading back to the dinghy boom with home built wooden boats, but this time built using laser cut kits that slot together in a jig and get epoxy filleted together. It's a good use of one of the best sustainable materials there is (wood) and again at the last worlds there were 2-3 home built boats in the top 10 so it's not a slow choice either.

On the question of why are these old boats so nice to sail, IMO any class that has had a long period of even slight development gets nicer, more balanced and more refined as time goes on. Those with very fixed rules (SMODs) don't take long to look old fashioned as new developments come in. Of course the other important factor is the class themselves. It's dead easy to design a new 'better' boat, but building and sustaining a successful class is much, much harder.
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