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    Posted: 03 Mar 07 at 6:53pm
Right, i might be buying a Dart 18 soon but i dont have much experience on cats and absolutly none on cats with spinnakers. So is there anything i should watch out for when buying one and has anyone got any tips on sailing them?
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Book yourself onto an RYA cat course, they teach the basics, how to tack properly, righting the boat, etc, etc. Appart from that, try crewing for a few cat sailors at your club to give you a feel for the difference between sailing a mono and a cat. Big difference changing from a monohull to a cat like the Dart is manouverability and closing speeds. The RYA course should provide you with everything you need to get started, and at the very least, picking up the handbook for the course at your local chandelry will give you a rough idea of how to sail cats. Also might be worth looking at the Hurricane 5.9, they are going really cheaply at the moment and although they are another leap up the scale in performance, personally I prefer the handling of them and know quite a few people who started cat sailing on Hurri's and continue to do so.

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Thanks for the advice, i have actually done a Cat course but its the finer points i need help with, how to avoid a pitchpole, what to do with the spinnaker etc. I've used them on monos before but are there any diffrences with a cat. 
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Firstly, a Dart 18 doesn't come with a Spinnaker!

Where is it you sail? Take a look at the boats at your SC and talk to a few people.

What to look out for - Obvious repairs to the hulls, I know Dart18 flex when standing on the hulls when righting, so check for cracks etc. Make sure the mast is straight and all the rigging is intact. When you buy it (as with any boat) try and rig it to check everything over, ie Sail track for Main Sail.

To avoid a pitchpole is sometimes easier said than done, but when the boat is healing on one hull, you don't want the hull "digging" in to the waves as that causes it to go over (IMO).

As 49erGBR said, try crewing or even taking an experienced cat sailor out. (They will prob do anything for a Pint!)

I have sailed cats in the past but can also say the Dart 16 is a good Cat for "leisure" sailing, not so good in racing but that one does come with a Kite now Laser have redesigned it.
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The D18 clips together (as opposed to bolts) so make sure that clips and springs are all healthy.

It also relies on trampoline tension to stay "rigid" so make sure the tramp is in good nick.

The D18 is very much an "old school" cat that has largely been superceded by more modern designs like the Spitfire. You may find it difficult to compete successfully in a SCHRS fleet. Skinny bows so it nosedives easily but then so does the Hobie16.

That said, I know of no cat that is simpler to rig, dismantle and tow. Also quite cheap because of the migration to more modern designs. Ideal first cat.

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No spinnaker ??????

 

yes they do , admittedly not very popular at the moment .

Works really well when sailing solo , theres one at our club and he has a hoot with it , competitive too, he wouldn't go back to sailing without one .

{infact come to think of it he was 2006 class champion racing at our club - sailing against , Huricane 5.9s , Hurricane 5.9sx (who was 2nd at 5.9 Nats ) Tornado , A class ,Stealth 18sxl, and other darts in their various guises }

even though

Slight problems with steering  when windy

 

Check out Dart 18 class association website for lots of info , also chat in forum regarding spinnakers

 

 1.avoiding pitchpole - don't go out when its windy ! only 100% safe method of avoidance

 2.reduce chance of pitchpole - avoid boats with narrow bows and nae bouyancy up front

3. Fly a kite

4 .Get a cat with wings on its rudders and a kite - worked for me last two yrs , but not as reliable as method 1.

 

Pichpoling is fun - ribtickling

 

Well sailed Darts can be competitive in SCHRS fleets , especially when windy

 

Don't particularily want to blow Dart 18s trumpet , but they are an ideal way to get into cat racing if you don't have a lot of money to spend  and good springboard to move onto high performance cats , easy to sell when you're ready to move on . 

 

 

 



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I am told that it is best to keep the D18 on two hulls when windy so as to double the amount of buoyancy. D18 helm's favourite word when communicating with crew is "DUMP". I think refering to jib!

The rudders have a tendency to work their way back from the vertical. This will give BIG weather helm so they need regular attention with a screwdriver and spanner.

My first and only cat has been a Hurricane. I think it is a better behaved boat as it gives you a lot more warning before it does something naughty. The power in a D18 can be a bit on-off-on while the Hurricane is a smoother ride. However, it takes me approx twice as long as a Dart to rig and more grunt to launch and sail. I'm a 90 kilo six footer so have grunt to spare but it is not for everyone.

My only concern with a choice of D18 is racing future. I'm not up to date with the British cat scene but, in Ireland, the class is dead. We have 4 or 5 Darts at the club and none have been sailed for over 12 months. All the competitive lightweights in Ireland have now moved to Spitfires.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote olly_love Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 07 at 2:47pm

the dart kite is crap.  we tryed it and didnt like it as the mast isnt set up as a kite boat so it didnt seem supported. 

the dart website has all the stuff that u need to buy a boat.

when we used to sail one we never capsized it in 3 years.  and we were really pushing it. 

they are good boats to sail but i would also consider a spitfire

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Post Options Post Options   Quote catmandoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 07 at 3:36pm

as I  hinted above its not so good for two handed , you put it so much better ,

solo fella has his on strop from top of mast , but tethered at hounds , seems to support it reasonably well .

if you think spitfire , think of f16 too .

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Quagers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 07 at 6:34pm

Thanks for all the advice, i race at Rutland SC and the Dart 18 is very popular, up till 2 years ago they had their own fleet. Im 16 and currently race a Radial because i have problems finding regular crew, so if it works well singlehanded that would be a huge bonus for me.

this is a Dart 18 with a kite i belive, dosnt look like you can rig up the kite at the same time as the jib?



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