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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Just the occasional release in some of the gusts to keep the boat flat. Unfortunately no other Vagos to play with but the Laser 2000's were long gone. We we're even struggling to stay ahead of a single handed 2k. In light airs we're not too bad at all. I might see if I can borrow a waterproof camera and mount it on the thwart. |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Yes but I was making a big guess on limited info. And just suggesting a little more twist, still keeping a little hook so you can point. It sounded like the top was over hooking and stalling from the original post. But if the wind strength is dropping you have the impression that the crew should be on the wire from earlier sailing out, so it's possible that you are thinking, keep the main pinned in to keep the crew on the wire and stalling everything and ending up dropping off to leeward. Ease the sheet slightly, go a bit faster, get flow on the foils and then squeeze back up a bit. But like you said without see things it's a difficult call. |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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You could be onto something here. In my head our advantage over the L2K's is the trapeze. Perhaps in that particular breeze we should have been hiking it with the 2000s. Chances are I was, as you say, over cranking the main in an effort to keep her out on the wire. That might explain why we're not too bad in the light stuff compared to the 2000s. Perhaps I need to alter my mindset so that we're hiking until the boom is some way off the center line and then get her out on the wire. She'll enjoy that ![]() P.S. Odd how the Google Chrome browser keeps the line length short ![]() Edited by ellistine |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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The trapeze is the advantage - but in marginal stuff your crew must trapeze very high so that they can move in and out according to the puffs and so that you don't have to struggle to keep them right out there. They should also look at trapezing off the centreboard case occasionally, so they can stay on the wire and still move in and out easily.
I agree with Jack Sparrow - sometimes having everything in too tight has a nasty stalling effect. I'm hoping to be at Castle cove this weekend for the contender open - maybe I'll see you on the water! |
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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Ahh! Me too. I had been wondering why my line lengths were short but hadn't put 2 and 2 together and associated it with the browser. |
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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Eek! I wouldn't have thought so! If the boom goes off the centreline, you're dumping power. Why dump power unless your crew is fully trapezing? A good technique upwind in marginal trapezing stuff in all but the most shifty conditions is this: Pull the main into the centreline, cleat it and throw the sheet into the bottom of the boat. Sit on your spare hand so you can't do anything naughty with it such as letting the main out when you're less than fully hiked and trapezing. A benefit of this is that it gives your crew more confidence to go out on the wire in a gust, knowing that it's all her job to keep the boat flat and you're not about to ease the main as well. Try it sometime between races. |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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It's our first 'duty' that weekend. I think I'm helping on the rescue boat so don't go doing anything daft ![]() |
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw1I2Z3-yeE
This is a good training vid for what I mean. Especially from 6.23 onwards. The crew is marginal wiring, and the boom never moves from the centreline. This is how it should be. As a gust arrives, the crew goes out on the wire with confidence and the boom stays put. 6.23 - 6.44 shows a gust arriving and the crew dealing with it. Note also the tiller extension being held down on the deck in the frying pan grip. This can help with smoother steering. I think that in a lot of cases, as long as the rig is set up properly, pointing is largely a function of technique. It's fairly common to sail a new class for a year, struggle to point at first, and then find it becomes easy to achieve as your technique improves, even though you're not particularly doing anything different with the rig. *Google Chrome isn't letting me use the link function. Sorry, you'll have to copy / paste.* May consider binning Chrome! |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Great bit of video... all I'd add is the 470 has the kicker set to control sail shape. Which is quite different to how ellistine was sailing.
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=J5E8jvPWR0s&feature=channel_page Here's how not to do it. Watch from 8.09 to 8.29. The helm is: 1) Letting the main out in gusts, when it isn't required. - I'd advise him to get the main in the centre, and leave it in the cleat. 2) Holding the extension in an awkward dagger grip, resulting in too little control over the tiller and steering an erratic course. - I'd say sit on the side, hold it by your side and steer in a straight line! 3) Moving around in the boat, making the crew's job harder. - Sit on the side and sit still! The helm should trust his crew to keep the boat flat, instead of trying to do all the jobs himself. These guys could improve their performance easily with a couple of hours' coaching on simply improving their straight line sailing technique. The thing is, a lot of people will sail like this and then come into the bar afterwards and complain that they aren't pointing and start trying to make improvements to the rig, when it's not the source of the problem. A small tweak in sailing style can make a lot of difference. |
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