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    Posted: 05 Oct 09 at 3:58pm
Hi All

a friend and I currently own 2 Cork 1720s and have them up for sale

We are looking at purchasing a 30-35ft Racer/Cruiser on a limited budget. We race against a Corby 29 and J109 and a few others. We are looking for a boat that will compete with these boats and still have a chance of winning on handicap.

Any ideas?

We have considered a number of options, a SJ320, Archambault Grand Surprise, J92.

any one have any other inputs?

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How about a Cherub?

 

 

 

 

Sorry, standard answer on any what boat thread, whatever question is asked...

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maybe if we moulded 3 together... but perhaps not!

I also meant to say we would also like a boat that can cross the Irish sea on her own bottom to travel to events and also have modest accommodation for the crew when we get there, or for a weekend with the family :)


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J92s or the projection 920 in an ideal world for race boats!

WIth about 40- 50 K budget , i would go for the SJ320.. It can do well on IRC, especially in either light or heavier winds. Most 'seaquest sj320s' as they are called now, are IRC optimised in the UK already in terms of sail set anyway.

The grand surprise , well the new price ex sails was more than a used mumm 30 with some good sails and just as unlikely to win on IRC. The new A30 is IRC optimised, and won in scotland already but is hardly a budget boat at over 100k commissioned.

Do you not have any one design? Sigma 33? Benetub 31.7 is the budget od waiting in the wings if you ask me. X332s are getting a bit cheaper now as well, as with the provenly dull elan 333.

If you are in ireland, you could split the difference and get an hunter Impala for cruise-racing and an SB3 for proper stuff!
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the SB3 is just a pretend 1720 so why would we bother :)

The Project 920 is no longer made and only 15 were made so no chance of getting one of those... :(

The Impala is not an option to old and not fast enough.

We race against J109 and Corby 29 so need something quick to at least be in contention.

Again the bene and sigma are too slow and the sigma is a hateful boat to sail...

The SJ320 is sounding quite good

any other ideas suggestions?

a Rocket 31 has also been mentioned, but I can not find enough info on them. There seems to be 2 types some from Aus and then some more modern one in Europe... anyone know any thing more about them?


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Hi Paul

Most of those 15 920s ( i actually thought there was only 8 made in the uk) are probably in the UK and not doing all that great on IRC. But 'rogue toad' was advertised for months if not a year before it sold for under 50k. So if one comes up it could be a steal. Dinghy sailors? You will make it go  in light and heavy airs.

I believe there is a used grand surprise 30 coming up for sale on the clyde- talk to Nick Stratton. They have a big kite and genoa so maybe there is possibility to rate down with a jib and a smaller kite, or just the assymetric no.2, which may give a bandit J legnth in the IRC calculation actually.

--- That is to say:  I reckon it may rate and be faster than the 109 in both light and 18 knt plus wind ( I sailed two seasons on a successful 109 here) Mid winds you would struggle, but be able to tack quicker and maybe point a little higher.

SJ 320s are also pretty rare on the market. Probably the best fit for both a performance racer-sleeper and an IRC you can sail to. Sj320s have been on the podium often.

Another fun, if not quite IRC freindly boat is the reflex 28. Really fast and fun- saw blaze out at a few b regattas and the boys said it was a blast and ok on CHS even. Very few made again though- people just don't like fast boats anymore if they aren't wee trailer racers.

On the more IRC competitive side, I mean in this economic climate, what are X332s andf elan 333s going for? 10 knt caravans, but they rate well. The 31.7 is a bit more crew freindly IMHO but does not rate so well- however it looks like it may start to gain OD numbers in uk/ireland.

Nick Stratton is a good point of touch as well as Dickies and so on in Ireland

Ice in your cider and good luck!

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Hello Paul,
I have previously owned a J92 "J'Ronimo" and currently own a Projection 920 named "Sleeper", formely "No Compromise" prefered that name actually. I would say that the Projection is the better boat of the two, more powerful upwind, very stiff and a joy to sail. The interior layout is also much better than a J92, more headroom, 6 full size berths and a two burner cooker and a proper chart table. The Projection 920's do not come onto the market very often and that's a fact, to put the record straight their were only four Projection 920's built and not fifteen, all built during 1998 and 1999. When first launched all four were rated with a CHS handicap of 1.023 then all four yachts had there keels replaced/modified soon after, replacing the original all lead, to a cast iron with lead bulb, this was done to optimise them for CHS rating and immediately reduced the rating to 1.012 We have optimized our handicap over the past two season's, tweaking thing here and there, and now rate IRC 0.990 We are very competative, we have 3x J109's in our club, we do stuggle against them a bit in light airs downwind, however in 20 knots plus, the projection excels and takes off, reaching speeds in excess of 14 knots!
We do not loose many races in these condition, and it's a great feeling taking line honours over a well sailed J109

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sleeper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 10 at 9:18pm
Paul,
I forgot to mention, forget the Grand Surpise, a club member  purchased Wessex yachts demo boat two years ago (cost him 50K) and it never one a race under IRC even when well crewed, it rated at 1.080 with a large kite and it never took line honours over us rating a 1.001 at the time. Great boat for one design, forget it for IRC mixed handicap, if you want an asymmetric boat the J92 is better in my opinion.
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Sleeper

Interesting what you said about the keel replacement on the P920.  I have owned a P762 for 4 years and we have had some good IRC success, particularly over 20 knots (we've taken a J109 over the water in 30 knots) and under 5 knots. I guess the boats are pretty similar.  I have never sailed a P920, but would be interested in upgrading to one in a year or two.

We've got our rating down to 0.964 which is well optimised for a P762.  We sail with 140% genoa, large kite flown higher up the mast, but feel we should add 70-80kgs on the keel to get the rating down to 0.955.  This will help us to compete more in the 5-15 knots wind range, which we sail in most often.

What are people's thoughts on this and how heavier was the P920 modified keel.

Shame more Projections weren't built as they a fantastic stiff boats and a real blast in a blow.

   

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Hi Paul, I'm currently selling a Prjection 35 if you're interested.  Location is Crosshaven, Co. Cork, Ireland. 

She's in excellent condition and ready to race.  5th in Cork Week 2006.  Just had a refit in 2009. 

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