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As Peaky says, the 2000 (still) holds value well, so if you're after something that won't depreciate like crazy whilst you figure out what you're really after, it probably is the best choice. The flip side is that second hand ones are quite pricey! Of course, no boat purchase should be viewed as a financial investment - boats are money sinks that have "fun" as the primary return.
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According to this table here:

http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/dinghydatabase.php3c

the Vision is listed at a mere 125kg.  I find that very hard to believe.  Ther plate in the back of the 2k in the garden says it weighs 140kg which seems reasonable.  I'm also dubious about the weight lisitng of the trio. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 10 at 12:03pm
links doesn't work - go to dinghy database under Rseources.
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" - (lower priority) could be used for day sailing with three or four people (perhaps with reefed or smaller sails)"
 
Originally posted by Peaky

Finally, if you're planning on joining Burghfield bear in mind the new Icon (blatant plug!).  Mike Lyons who runs Cirrus sails there and is launching the Icon soon.  It has neither a kite nor a trapeze, so may appear to be well off your wants list, but it is faster and better to sail than all the boats you list despite the lack of kite and is just as stable.
 
....don't be daft!
 
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Fair point - the Icon's not a cruiser, but it's not hard to sail.
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Absolutely join Burghfield.
I believe, if you join now, you may get the rest of this year as well as next year.
Once joined, you can sail the club's RS Vision to try t out.
THEN you want to buy a Laser 2000. There are quite a number of them that sail in the Admiral's Club on a Saturday - concentration on sailing and enjoyment rather than racing.
Then there are a few who sail regularly on a Sunday - focus on racing.
There are also a couple of us who travel around the Open Meetings from the club: The Laser 2000 meetings are VERY well supported, with 25-35 boats at most events, and 75+ boats at the Nationals. The standard varies from beginners to top-notch sailors: whatever your standard there wil lbe someone to chat with a compete against.
 
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There is no way a Vision weighs less than a Laser 2000.
A Topper Xenon however may be - they seem to be a lighter construction - with appropriate stiffening and a significant aluminium beam to take rig loads / maintain tension.
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Many thanks for much helpful info and advice.  I'm going to Burghfield this weekend for a nose around and to watch the RS racing.

ChrisJ: "then you want to buy a Laser 2000" - yes it is looking that way!  Now wishing I'd started all this earlier in the year when the weather was warmer...

To round this off, some more L2K-related questions if I may, prompted by comments read elsewhere on this forum and the 'net.

Two sensible questions:

How much of a planing boat is the Laser 2000 (eg what are the best wind conditions to make it plane, how easily does it plane, how dependent is it on crew skill, etc)?

Different asymmetric spinnakers are constructed to perform better on particular points of sail (eg some suit beam reach best, some broad reach, etc).  What's the optimum point of sail (or range over which it's useful) for the standard spinnaker on the Laser 2000?  Do people find it better to go downwind with a series of broad reaches rather than a (near) run?

And two frivolous questions:

I've seen several comments that an outboard motor can't be fitted to a Laser 2000 (usually when comparing it to other similar sized sailing dinghies that can take an outboard).  Does "can't" mean it's physically impossible to attach any sort of outboard mount to the L2K transom, or that one mustn't fit an outboard because for some reason (eg hull shape etc) it would be dangerous/unstable to try and power an L2K with a motor?  Or is it just that because Laser don't make an official outboard mount for the L2K, no-one's tried it?  I have no particular desire for an outboard, just curious.

I've also seen several comments (admittedly usually from expert sailors used to more powerful rigs) that the Laser 2000 sails, particularly spinnaker, are too small for the hull size/shape/weight and that the boat is underpowered.  That actually sounds good for my current purposes, but I wonder if there are different (larger) sails available and if they work well or just spoil things?  Obviously such sails wouldn't be suitable for class racing, and again I'm just asking for curiosity, not intending to try it (at least not until much more experienced!)  Looking at the rig I doubt a significantly larger main is possible, but maybe a genoa rather than jib, or a larger spinnaker?

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From my experience racing against 2000's, they seem to do well by going low as possible on a Windward/Leeward course. Having said that, they can also hold the kite quite high when reaching for a mark. 

The sails aren't massive (and can be reefed even smaller) but probably suit the size of the boat. 
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Any chance of throwing a Laser3000 into the mix? Fast, cheap, trapeze, easy to sail, assymetric. I know that there was a L3000/V3000 singlehander conversion being rumoured last year but don't know what has happened since then.
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