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    Posted: 13 Jul 12 at 9:26am
So last night in the filthy rain, overcast skys and sub 14 degree balmy summer evening we took yet another handicap pasting by that new merlin, at one point they even over took us on a reach, we fought back, established a good two minute lead and my new crew did very well in the circumstances, he's so enthusiastic, a complete newcomer to sailing and can't quite understand why we still lost by two minutes, how do you explain it to him?

I explain they are cheating b**tards who carefully selected an older boat that has been built using really modern methods and the club returns that come in are diluted by the older boats still racing so it takes while before the handicap catches up, but it is dispiriting for him nonetheless. I also explain to pay no attention, it's what happens over the water that counts and all the watching public see is us sailing stars putting the cover on our boat whilst they are still out there and that placates him a bit, I also explain in all honesty we're not really sailing ours to full handicap yet partly due to the course and partly due to our inexperience as a team since we couldn't fly our spinnaker on both reaches properly and eventually he understands and we hit the bar and run the race over again asking the Merlin Boys where they get their sombreros and ammunition belts.

But it did occur to me and I wondered just how many Bandit boats there are out there and it's always a bit of fun, over the period I've been posting here the Phantom took the brunt of criticism, yet the Blaze got away clean, the Rooster Streaker gets barely a mention and the Miracle? 1194? how did that happen?

So we definitely need a Bandit Watch thread, so it's out there, in the open, known Bandits, name and shame, who is your worse offender, I've got three on my radar, the Merlin at 1005 I haven't raced it yet but the days will dawn when my EPS at 1025 will get totally trashed by the Miracle at 1194 and got pretty worked by a Scorpion the other day, not even sure what their handicap is, but at this point I'm not fully up to speed so really can't complain.

Anyone else got any pet hates?


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Good plan, these darn banditos are ruining my day on occassion, in fact, every time they beat me! Thing is though, when I have the audacity to beat them, apparently it's also down to PY... all very confusing really. Wink
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No no no, the rule is this.

1)If you beat them, you did it because you're a better sailor and they're eejiots.

2)If you lose, (on handicap) they only managed it because they're bandits

3)If you actually lose over the water, it just proves the above is true.

Handicap racing mentality, it's why we love it. LOL

Think if everyone sails the same thing, then how could you mentally cope with not winning all the time?  Wink


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Now then lad, this is a serious subject. My old Solo is sailing off 1150. 1150 is this years Py for Winder type FRP boats. If you look at pictures of open races most boats are in the 3500 numbers whereas mine is 1591. Even the hull shape is altered within the rules. I never had much chance in Byte or Lightning but now it is even worse.  Lightnings are 1154 and C2 1140. Now I don't expect to beat the "boy" sailing these but I would like to come closer to the other club geriatrics. I believe I can apply to our sailing commitee for a local handicap. How do I do this?

This weekend is the Supernova Nationals and the first nationals where the new carbon Nova's will compete against old style boats......on the same PY. The "boy", Pabs from this forum and another friend are competing in old borrowed boats. It will be interesting to compare performance as the new boats are lighter and stiffer. The race starts to-day and I will be there with my binoculars on Saturday and Sunday. Llandudno by the way.
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.... feeding time again anyone ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 12 at 10:11am
Well that Solo lot should at least attempt to do what the Merlin lot have to their credit, even if they are still ten years behind..


And that's really what should happen, a graph aged like that Merlin chart for all boats.

So, since he's come on for a wind up, the Blaze as an example should be alongside the Phantom at 1035 but with the old one left at whatever it was, 1046.

But then that wouldn't encourage the sale of new boats much would it?

Then again, newly designed boats might get a better share of the market...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 12 at 10:15am
Merlin - agreed, but they are lovely to look at so it's OK.
Blaze - not raced them on handicap much - no comment.
Streakers - plenty of moustachioed mentions here  in the past - and quite rightly so.
Miracles - agreed - I've been on a 2nd pint with a Miracle landing to beat me on handicap.
Solos - seem to go well in all conditions and a newish boat with a newish rig is going to be hard to beat. Look around and they are never far enough behind
Phantoms - the PY tide is ebbing and it is really only within restricted wind bands (F2-F3) 


On the Supernova front bear in mind that all the top guys (bar one - current National champ) will be in the new MK2s - it will be more interesting looking a bit further down the fleet.


Edited by timeintheboat - 13 Jul 12 at 10:15am
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 12 at 10:23am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Well that Solo lot should at least attempt to do what the Merlin lot have to their credit, even if they are still ten years behind..



Is a 12 year old Merlin the same as a brand new one? I know they went a bit OD with the Winder Mk iV but are 35xx boats found near the front in big fleets that often ? (Mind you I've just looked at Salcombe 3539 14/98 and 3088 (!) 16/98 so perhaps it is true). 
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 12 at 10:33am
.... always along for a laugh Greame  as you know  ;-)

Anyway I can't be the only one thinking that you could soon get the EPS returns to a much more reasonable level if your club puts in a return ... and do it on your own.  Perhaps there is a new opportunity there for you - as 'specialist' rent-a-helm to bandit classes needing  that 'better' number justified !

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To be a true bandit, a boat has to be winning right across the wind conditions, from a drift to a gale. Otherwise, it is just a boat with a strong area - like the British Moth in force 0.

It does help, of course, if 3/4 of the fleet is outclassed by the new boats, but still has plenty of returns going in. Sadly, one still has to be able to afford a new boat to be a bandit. "New boat faster than old boat shock" - I can see the newspaper headline now, along side "Bear sh*ts in woods" and "Crap sailor beaten by decent sailor in handicap race".
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